Corruption is indeed systemic. Those in high places have always been involved in it. It’s why people lower down the totem pole don’t find any fault in it. Until they are caught that is. It’s those at the top who commit crimes and are never held responsible is why corruption continues. Is Boris Johnson ever going to be punished? Will Farage ever be? It’s doubtful. So if that’s the case then how can the practice be stopped? The corrupt people at the top are the ones that prosecute the ones lower down the ladder that try, judge and punish. If you doubt that just look at the man at the top of the most powerful nation in the world. America. I can only hope that Andy Burnham can find the guts, as the guy at the top to do something about it. If not then the Boris’s and the Nigel’s only fate will be the loss of their job. They get to carry on getting richer by teaching the next ones wanting to climb to that level of corruption and like them, get away with it.
Prof. Barrington is absolutely right in stating that the Representation of the People Bill needs significant amendment. The limits are far too high. There is absolutely no justification for any individual, or organisation for that matter to donate £100,000. In addition the allowable donation from anyone based overseas should be considerably smaller than that from someone resident here.
I think that making political work less financially attractive could crash the intake of new politicians. On the other side, the high potential amounts of cash brought in a lot of politicians who wipe their backside with ‘the good of the country snd its people’.
Our elected leaders and supposed betters should be setting a good example for us all to follow, not one that makes us say “everyone does so I will”.
A good example, as you say, would be to crack down on the revolving door of Parliament, civil service, armed forces and lobbyists. Then we might not have scandals like the £13.5 billion wasted on privatising military housing, leaving service people and their families living in squalor, and the Ajax armoured vehicle programme, £5 billion, currently eight years late and no sign of a deployable vehicle.
Hmmm... OK. You've chosen a pretty disingenuous method, to rank UK corruption second only to Belarus.
I'm not going to argue that we don't have a corrupt political system in the UK. It's absolutely clear, money in politics - whether that be donations, 2nd jobs, or whatever - is a big problem. And needs to be tackled.
But first... using *perception* of decline, is not a fact-based measure. As it says on the tin, it's "perception". Secondly, when you look at the methodology of the CPI, (collating data from multiple 3rd parties), I can't see how they can guarantee consistency over the years.
Finally... yes decline is bad. But what about standing? The UK is 20th. Yeah not brilliant - but, Belarus, the country you chose to compare the UK with, is 124th. You're associating the two, to reinforce your argument. i.e.: the UK is, (almost as), bad as Belarus. But fail to mention, for instance, that the UK scores 70; Belarus 31.
And the thing is... you didn't need to resort to this tactic. I think you're wrong to assert, we Brits are looking through rose-tinted glasses, in the belief we don't have corruption in the UK. I'm pretty sure, many of us are fully aware of it.
What about freebies? And can we start with those of Kier Starmer? If the person promising to restore integrity to government in order to get to power then accepts freebies himself what hope for those below him?
We need public funding of political parties if we want the public interest represented. People are not voting for lords in rotten buroughs, it is parties that must be funded and held accountable. We are terribly naive about the persuasive power of big money, and now the fossil fuel industry is attempting to close down democracies such as the USA to keep the cash flowing while the people boil.
Of course the UK main stream media shy away from the use of the word corruption. It's what the corrupt always do...... make every attempt to minimise that of which they themselves are guilty.
Watched again the interview with Peter Oborne, Democracy for Sale 25th June. Also went back to his comments about the Al Jazeera investigation the Labour Files on YouTube Double Down News from 3 years ago, ‘Peter Oborne Demolishes the Media Silence on the Labour Files’. First read after watching the Al Jazeera investigation some time ago.
His book The Triumph of the Political Class is probably still as relevant as 1984, just about to start reading it.
Jody McIntyre either on Substack 28th July or the Canary The Unelected Lobbyists Dictating the Burham Administration is an eye opener.
In al things it is better to hope than to despair.
Things never stay the same and sometimes they get better 🤞🙏
Solution. Labour Party Members, and Labour Party voters should tell the Labour Party that they will abstain from voting at the next General Election unless there is new legislation introduced before the end of the current term to resolve the issues.
Don’t confuse ‘Pro Jewish’ with ‘Pro Israel’, Linda.
This is the Times of Israel. They are bricking themselves over him.
Where does new UK premier Andy Burnham stand on Israel and antisemitism?
As Manchester mayor, he frequently spoke out against rising attacks against UK Jews, but community leaders have expressed worry over his framing of Israel’s war with Hamas in Gaza
“Starmer’s successor has spent much of his political career over the past decade cultivating close ties with Britain’s Jewish community. As the former mayor of Greater Manchester, home to one of Europe’s largest Jewish populations, Burnham frequently spoke out against antisemitism, attended Holocaust commemorations and worked closely with Jewish communal organizations.
Yet in the lead-up to his installation as prime minister, Burnham also signaled a shift in Labour’s mainstream position on Israel and Gaza, including support for greater pressure on Israel over Gaza”
I didn't confuse pro Israel with pro Jewish, what I quoted was his words not mine! But we'll see, I would like nothing more than for him to succeed but he won't do that if he shows any corrupt side, the UK people are sick & tired of hearing one lot of lies after another 😴
At the end of the day, that’s the point. We’ve been burnt by Starmer. We won’t get fooled again. We will be watching and come the next election, we will vote accordingly. The Greens are quite happy to step up where Labour fears to tread.
Citing apparent war crimes, likely next UK PM urges ‘more pressure’ on the Israeli government
9th July
Andy Burnham, who remains unchallenged as incoming Labour leader, says outgoing PM Keir Starmer ‘didn’t get it right,’ and he would weigh ‘further sanctions’ on Israel
Linda - I've been posting notes on my own Stack about how there's a private members bill going through Parliament: The Genocide Recognition Bill. Currently one of the reasons the PM of the day - Sunak, Starmer and Burnham all - cannot call Israel out, is a question of legality. There is no 'consensus of genocide' and Israel is an ally so calling it out would be an act of war against an ally. It is all very complicated. So this bill has been brought before Parliament in order to allow the UK courts to recognise the genocide. THEN Burnham can act (or whoever is PM once it passes). It just had the second reading in the HOL - and has now gone back to the Commons for debate. Now is not the right time as Parliament is currently suspended for the summer break.
Even if the genocide is being reviewed at the moment the damage to Palestinians is irreversible, just heartbreaking the babies & children they have brutally killed with no mercy! Not mentioning the rapes of babies & children, these zionists are a disgusting race!
Whilst everyone should know what ‘corruption’ means it is easy to talk over people’s heads. Messages from the articulate should be delivered in simple language that should be relatable to the target audience
Politicians + Monarchy + Big business = CORRUPTION
Hear ya, and Religion is also part of the "Control System" !!!!!
Corruption is indeed systemic. Those in high places have always been involved in it. It’s why people lower down the totem pole don’t find any fault in it. Until they are caught that is. It’s those at the top who commit crimes and are never held responsible is why corruption continues. Is Boris Johnson ever going to be punished? Will Farage ever be? It’s doubtful. So if that’s the case then how can the practice be stopped? The corrupt people at the top are the ones that prosecute the ones lower down the ladder that try, judge and punish. If you doubt that just look at the man at the top of the most powerful nation in the world. America. I can only hope that Andy Burnham can find the guts, as the guy at the top to do something about it. If not then the Boris’s and the Nigel’s only fate will be the loss of their job. They get to carry on getting richer by teaching the next ones wanting to climb to that level of corruption and like them, get away with it.
Not likely as Burnham would have to declare his own takings from israel....
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Prof. Barrington is absolutely right in stating that the Representation of the People Bill needs significant amendment. The limits are far too high. There is absolutely no justification for any individual, or organisation for that matter to donate £100,000. In addition the allowable donation from anyone based overseas should be considerably smaller than that from someone resident here.
I think that making political work less financially attractive could crash the intake of new politicians. On the other side, the high potential amounts of cash brought in a lot of politicians who wipe their backside with ‘the good of the country snd its people’.
Our elected leaders and supposed betters should be setting a good example for us all to follow, not one that makes us say “everyone does so I will”.
A good example, as you say, would be to crack down on the revolving door of Parliament, civil service, armed forces and lobbyists. Then we might not have scandals like the £13.5 billion wasted on privatising military housing, leaving service people and their families living in squalor, and the Ajax armoured vehicle programme, £5 billion, currently eight years late and no sign of a deployable vehicle.
Hmmm... OK. You've chosen a pretty disingenuous method, to rank UK corruption second only to Belarus.
I'm not going to argue that we don't have a corrupt political system in the UK. It's absolutely clear, money in politics - whether that be donations, 2nd jobs, or whatever - is a big problem. And needs to be tackled.
But first... using *perception* of decline, is not a fact-based measure. As it says on the tin, it's "perception". Secondly, when you look at the methodology of the CPI, (collating data from multiple 3rd parties), I can't see how they can guarantee consistency over the years.
Finally... yes decline is bad. But what about standing? The UK is 20th. Yeah not brilliant - but, Belarus, the country you chose to compare the UK with, is 124th. You're associating the two, to reinforce your argument. i.e.: the UK is, (almost as), bad as Belarus. But fail to mention, for instance, that the UK scores 70; Belarus 31.
And the thing is... you didn't need to resort to this tactic. I think you're wrong to assert, we Brits are looking through rose-tinted glasses, in the belief we don't have corruption in the UK. I'm pretty sure, many of us are fully aware of it.
What about freebies? And can we start with those of Kier Starmer? If the person promising to restore integrity to government in order to get to power then accepts freebies himself what hope for those below him?
And alas, Britons are too squeamish about the Monarchy, let's consider the late queen's understandable support for her son Andrew and the question of Murdoch settling with Prince William.... https://www.tortoisemedia.com/listen/the-news-meeting/are-journalists-too-obsessed-with-bad-news-and-did-rupert-murdoch-make-a-secret-deal-with-prince-william
Since Burnham, like Starmer, is a Friend of Israel, I doubt very much that he is is committed to rooting out corruption. .
We need public funding of political parties if we want the public interest represented. People are not voting for lords in rotten buroughs, it is parties that must be funded and held accountable. We are terribly naive about the persuasive power of big money, and now the fossil fuel industry is attempting to close down democracies such as the USA to keep the cash flowing while the people boil.
It's not the people that don't use the term corruption, it is the msm. They talk of cronyism and sleaze, that's different isn't it. Isn't it? 🙄
Of course the UK main stream media shy away from the use of the word corruption. It's what the corrupt always do...... make every attempt to minimise that of which they themselves are guilty.
Watched again the interview with Peter Oborne, Democracy for Sale 25th June. Also went back to his comments about the Al Jazeera investigation the Labour Files on YouTube Double Down News from 3 years ago, ‘Peter Oborne Demolishes the Media Silence on the Labour Files’. First read after watching the Al Jazeera investigation some time ago.
His book The Triumph of the Political Class is probably still as relevant as 1984, just about to start reading it.
Jody McIntyre either on Substack 28th July or the Canary The Unelected Lobbyists Dictating the Burham Administration is an eye opener.
In al things it is better to hope than to despair.
Things never stay the same and sometimes they get better 🤞🙏
Solution. Labour Party Members, and Labour Party voters should tell the Labour Party that they will abstain from voting at the next General Election unless there is new legislation introduced before the end of the current term to resolve the issues.
I think Burnham is willing to tackle it, I don't think, however, he is willing to acknowledge it.
Why? He's already admitted he's pro Israel, you can't get much lower than that!
Don’t confuse ‘Pro Jewish’ with ‘Pro Israel’, Linda.
This is the Times of Israel. They are bricking themselves over him.
Where does new UK premier Andy Burnham stand on Israel and antisemitism?
As Manchester mayor, he frequently spoke out against rising attacks against UK Jews, but community leaders have expressed worry over his framing of Israel’s war with Hamas in Gaza
“Starmer’s successor has spent much of his political career over the past decade cultivating close ties with Britain’s Jewish community. As the former mayor of Greater Manchester, home to one of Europe’s largest Jewish populations, Burnham frequently spoke out against antisemitism, attended Holocaust commemorations and worked closely with Jewish communal organizations.
Yet in the lead-up to his installation as prime minister, Burnham also signaled a shift in Labour’s mainstream position on Israel and Gaza, including support for greater pressure on Israel over Gaza”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/where-does-new-uk-premier-andy-burnham-stand-on-israel-and-antisemitism/
I didn't confuse pro Israel with pro Jewish, what I quoted was his words not mine! But we'll see, I would like nothing more than for him to succeed but he won't do that if he shows any corrupt side, the UK people are sick & tired of hearing one lot of lies after another 😴
At the end of the day, that’s the point. We’ve been burnt by Starmer. We won’t get fooled again. We will be watching and come the next election, we will vote accordingly. The Greens are quite happy to step up where Labour fears to tread.
Sorry for the delay in replying I'm voting the same as you by the looks of things! If Zach polanski let's us down there will be hell to pay!!!
Citing apparent war crimes, likely next UK PM urges ‘more pressure’ on the Israeli government
9th July
Andy Burnham, who remains unchallenged as incoming Labour leader, says outgoing PM Keir Starmer ‘didn’t get it right,’ and he would weigh ‘further sanctions’ on Israel
https://www.timesofisrael.com/likely-next-british-pm-uk-must-put-more-pressure-on-the-israeli-government/
Burnham hasn't raised further sanctions yet as I can see!
Linda - I've been posting notes on my own Stack about how there's a private members bill going through Parliament: The Genocide Recognition Bill. Currently one of the reasons the PM of the day - Sunak, Starmer and Burnham all - cannot call Israel out, is a question of legality. There is no 'consensus of genocide' and Israel is an ally so calling it out would be an act of war against an ally. It is all very complicated. So this bill has been brought before Parliament in order to allow the UK courts to recognise the genocide. THEN Burnham can act (or whoever is PM once it passes). It just had the second reading in the HOL - and has now gone back to the Commons for debate. Now is not the right time as Parliament is currently suspended for the summer break.
You can read all the legalities of the bill here:
https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/4137
Feel free to follow me for updates?
Even if the genocide is being reviewed at the moment the damage to Palestinians is irreversible, just heartbreaking the babies & children they have brutally killed with no mercy! Not mentioning the rapes of babies & children, these zionists are a disgusting race!
Totally agree and to make any protest an act of terrorism? It is despicable
Whilst everyone should know what ‘corruption’ means it is easy to talk over people’s heads. Messages from the articulate should be delivered in simple language that should be relatable to the target audience